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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby wildlx » 23 Dec 2011, 10:21

Baker wrote:Not really true. Loaning without giving back is not loaning. It's making an unauthorised copy in breach of copyright and giving it away, which is software piracy.

True. But then there was no other option available. OK... So you go for the purist option. Do you apply the same reasoning when you copy a CD or a DVD?

Baker wrote:Barnes and Noble have a scheme in which Nook owners can lend books. That really is lending. The person lending the book doesn't have use of it for a couple of weeks, and the recipient ceases to have use of the ebook when it reverts back to its owner. I don't know if other ebook manufacturers have similar schemes. Of course, it's limited to those who have the same brand of ebook reader.

How is that done? Does BN control what is happening in your Nook?
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby FranW » 23 Dec 2011, 10:23

There's a long but very good explanatory article here: http://antickmusings.blogspot.com/2011/ ... nt-do.html

Even after the ebook is created, it's just a file on somebody's hard drive. It's not in the iBookstore, or the Kindle Store, or the Nook Store. It doesn't have co-op placements. It hasn't been advertised. It hasn't been publicized. It doesn't have cover art, or descriptive copy. There are no special offers attached to it. No one has marketed, sold, or promoted it.

Those are the things that a publishing company does.
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby FranW » 23 Dec 2011, 10:35

wildlx wrote:True. But then there was no other option available. OK... So you go for the purist option. Do you apply the same reasoning when you copy a CD or a DVD?

Yes. If you choose to copy a CD or DVD that forbids copying, then you do it knowing that you are violating the law and engaging in piracy.

I acknowledge, though, that each circumstance is unique.

Sometimes I loan a paperback to Friend A because I'm okay with not having that book in my possession for a while, and I know Friend A will enjoy it. Sometimes I loan a paperback to Friend B because I am not passionately attached to the book and I know that there's a strong likelihood Friend B will never remember to return it. Sometimes I loan ten paperbacks to Friend C, knowing that she'll decide six of them are boring, will enjoy reading three of them, and will love one of them so much she'll go out and buy her own copy.

In loaning paperbacks, I'm violating no laws, and I know that at least once in a while I'm adding to book sales/authors' royalties, in the same way that whoever it was that loaned us The Blue Place probably knew I'd love it and would run out and buy the other two books in the series ASAP.

Sometimes I make copies of CDs and DVDs as backups because I know I have a bad habit of spilling coffee on things.

I don't think I've done much other copying -- admittedly because I probably don't know how to. That's Bakey's specialty. I know that in some cases our borrowing a copied opera on DVD has resulted in our buying three more featuring the same singers, so it's probably to everyone's benefit in the long run. Which does not change the fact that it is illegal, I know. It's a choice, like everything. When do I speed, and when do I not? When do I take home a pen from work, and when do I not? When do I accept a copied DVD, and when do I not?

I have refused copies of pirated movies. I can rent a movie for a few bucks, and there are few I like enough to want to own; and I don't like widescale pirating. I do think there is a difference in the magnitude of lost royalties to artists between Person A giving Friend B a copy of a CD or ebook, and Person A putting an e book up on a torrent site for thousands of people to download without the author's permission or knowledge.
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby wildlx » 23 Dec 2011, 11:37

:secret: I was the one that loaned you The Blue Place.
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby FranW » 23 Dec 2011, 11:43

Yeah, but I gave it back. Um....didn't I?????
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby wildlx » 24 Dec 2011, 06:45

No. It is still there waiting for Baker to read it ;-).
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby FranW » 24 Dec 2011, 06:52

Oh, crap, I am so sorry. (Also, I've no idea where the book is. Hopefully Baker knows...)
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby wildlx » 24 Dec 2011, 07:08

No worries. I told Baker she could have as much time as she needs to read it.
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby Baker » 24 Dec 2011, 07:18

lol Yes, I know. And I am aware that I haven't read and returned it yet. Wildlx is being extremely forebearing (as usual). If you want it back, Wild, I will of course despatch it. (I've been waiting to be in the right frame of mind to attempt it, to give it a fair shake.)

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wild wrote:True. But then there was no other option available. OK... So you go for the purist option. Do you apply the same reasoning when you copy a CD or a DVD?

lol Of course you know I'm guilty of doing that! I wasn't getting all purist on you, I was simply pointing out that you were incorrect in calling the process loaning. It's piracy, and I suspect there are plenty of us who have done it at one time or another.

As for the Nook lending scheme, I'm afraid I don't know the details. :dunno: It's not like Fran can participate, since her NOOK is definitely outside the B&N sphere of influence.
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Re: The Rising Price of E-books

Postby wildlx » 25 Dec 2011, 22:24

Nah, please keep it and read it in the right frame of mine. It is worth it.
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